Why I Repudiate American Islamohpobia: Or, Why 9/11 Doesn’t Really Piss Me Off

Well, today is the twelfth anniversary of 9/11. If you’re the average white American, this day no doubt evokes images of implacable Muslim fanatics crashing planes into cherished buildings, robbing thousands of American lives in the process. If you attend a baseball game, there will likely be a moment of silence to commemorate the day, replete with the singing of “God Bless America” around the seventh inning.

And, if you happen to follow the mainstream conservative scene, there’s a high probability that you’ll be warned about the evils of Islam, the need to prevail over terror, and perhaps even whipped up into a frenzy over impending Sharia Law. Unless you have completely neglected the political landscape over the past decade, then you have certainly noticed the rise of Islamophobia in the United States. Whether it’s Oklahoma attempting in vain to ban Sharia Law, loony pastor Terry Jones burning the Quran, or the likes of Pamela Geller and Daniel Pipes warning us about the overall evils of Islamism, it’s safe to say that the prophet Muhammad is public enemy number one among numerous conservatives.

For me personally, I find American Islamophobia to be utterly moronic. I understand xenophobic sentiment, and I also understand and appreciate how prejudice and hostility towards different groups can arise. However, there is usually an actual reason behind such animus. Jews inspire resentment on account of their disproportionate wealth and power, in addition to drawing the ire of white nationalists over the role they’ve played in “diversifying” the West. Latinos arouse anxiety among many white nationalists and conservatives due to their massive influx, coupled with high birthrates. They recognize that this Latino influx will eventually result in their demographic displacement. Finally, the favorite target of white nationalist venom, blacks, incur their wrath on account of their disproportionately high crime rates, as well as the politics of racial grievance espoused by talking heads of the black community.

You can agree or disagree with the white nationalist’s reasons for disliking the above groups, but there is at least a reason. Islamophobia is fatuous precisely because there is no legitimate reason to hate Muslims in the United States. Muslims are small in number and wield no political or economic power. Also, Muslim Americans tend to be highly educated and productive members of society, and thus do not leech off of welfare like their counterparts in Europe. In short, Muslims are not significant enough to pose any dire threat to white America. So why do they provoke so much vitriol?

In his book, The Transparent Cabal, Stephen Sniegoski hints at the answer. Quoting Paul Craig Roberts, he points out that white American rage against Muslims is mostly displaced rage. During the 90s, white Americans harbored much anger and resentment over multiculturalism, affirmative action, immigration, political correctness, culture wars, and a general feeling of displacement. However, due to political correctness, whites could not openly express such antipathy towards the above problems. However, once 9/11 came along and Muslims became an acceptable whipping boy, white Americans could finally vent their rage.

Islamophobia in many ways is a form of cowardice. Rather than confronting the legitimate threats to their heritage and civilization, white conservatives instead expend a tremendous amount of energy attacking a powerless minority. If only they directed a fraction of the venom they reserve for Muslims towards organized Jewry or open borders enthusiasts, then perhaps they might even take a small step towards reversing these trends. Speaking of organized Jewry…Another reason why I oppose Islamophobia is because certain segments of the organized Jewish community, particularly the neocons, employ Islamohpobia as a means of promoting their agenda. Their odious Christian Zionist lackeys have also hopped on the bandwagon.

Just to be clear, I am not singing the praises of Muslims, nor do I think that Western countries are enriched by their presence. I oppose the presence of large numbers of Muslims in the West, just as I would for any other non-white outsider group. However, it’s this obsessive singling out of Muslims that demonstrates problems within the white conservative movement. In fact, a good litmus test for whether or not a white conservative is genuinely fighting for his heritage is to see where he stands on the Muslim issue. If he bashes Muslims, but ignores the various other threats confronting Western civilization, then you’ll know that he’s more concerned with spewing empty rhetoric than preserving his culture.

Remember 9/11, but don’t get hung up on Muslims. They’re not that interesting.

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54 Responses to Why I Repudiate American Islamohpobia: Or, Why 9/11 Doesn’t Really Piss Me Off

  1. WmarkW says:

    9/11: Twelve Years Later By Bruce Bawer
    http://frontpagemag.com/2013/bruce-bawer/911-twelve-years-later/

    “9/11 was a moment of utter moral clarity that has been succeeded by twelve years of moral chaos.

    In the name of wartime security, a massive national surveillance apparatus was put in place, and airports were staffed with TSA screeners whose solemn task it was to make sure we weren’t carrying fingernail clippers or overly large tubes of toothpaste. Yet while these clowns were busy patting down wheelchair-bound octogenarians from rural Vermont and babies in diapers, Army officials were issuing commendations to a major at Fort Hood who’d made clear his jihadist sympathies and who, in 2009, ended up slaughtering 13 people in a clear-cut act of Islamic terrorism.

    The antiwar movement was ardent, vehement, cutthroat – and evaporated almost instantly the moment Obama succeeded Bush. …Bush, while seeking to strengthen America’s ties to its allies, had massaged the Muslim world with insipid rhetoric about our shared heritage as “people of faith”; Obama, while kicking our allies in the teeth, spun outrageous fantasies about Islam, transforming, in his famous 2009 Cairo speech, fourteen centuries of primitive brutality into a glittering parade of moral, cultural, intellectual, and spiritual triumphs.

    As the years after 9/11 went by, other major acts of jihadist terrorism occurred around the world. Each time, the mantra from on high was the same: these crimes had nothing to do with Islam….When the “Arab Spring” came along, only the systematically enforced ignorance about Islam made it possible for so many Americans to respond enthusiastically to the overthrow by religious fanatics of relatively secular, America-friendly regimes.”
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    WmarkW adds: The above description characterizes accurately the Muslim world and Islam as an ideology when it’s in control of society. The individual Muslims in the USA are primarily legal immigrants selected for their education and ability to contribute. The Pakistanis who maintain my workplace’s computer network, are nothing like the ones who cheered the assassination of their country’s religious minority minister. In Europe, however, Muslims play the same role Hispanics do here; the uneducated low-skill labor force imported because of low native birthrates, and THOSE create a dangerous subculture in large numbers.

    • Dota says:

      And that is why immigration should be a highly selective process. The identity politics of the left need to be tossed into the rubbish bin of history; for if you don’t give immigrants a reason to assimilate, they won’t. I see Islamophobia as a type of Xenophobia, and BAG is essentially correct when he says that bashing Islam has become an outlet for pent up white Xenophobia against the influx of non white immigrants over the last 2 decades.

      The way I see it, the only meaningful way of countering xenophobia is to allow a healthy release of white nationalism in North American society.

      • miki says:

        While Turkey and Russia are Caucasian, they are not Western; Turkey is Muslim and Russia is also an enemy and rival of United States and the West, even if they are White and a lot Blonde light eyes, they prefer to be in the side of China and the Islamist Iran.

      • Dota says:

        Russia is very much a western nation as far as heritage goes. There is the cultural west and then there is the political west. The latter is essentially the anglosphere which backs US imperialism. Russia is part of the former and not the latter.

      • miki says:

        Dota you are right; another thing is, is it true that Whites will cease to be the majority in United States in 2043? Blacks are stagnant and Asians still are small, so Hispanics are supposed to be the new majority, however while half of Hispanics are predominantly Brown of Amerindian heritage, the other 50% of Hispanics is White or Castizo in the census… so a good number of the Hispanics is White… but was the report trying to insinuate that among Hispanics the Brown are the ones that will have more Children? or is because the Brown Hispanics in Latin America are the poorest so they likely will immigrate more to United States in the future? but i read Mexican economy will get eventually better so maybe the immigration will stop, how accurate and real is the report that Whites will be a minority in united States?

      • Dota says:

        These are questions for BAG. I will say one thing though: Even if a good chunk of Mexican immigrants are white Mexicans I’d still have a problem with it (If I were American). The culture down there is very different from the Anglo Protestant culture of the US (and Canada). Race is important, but so is culture and heritage.

      • White folks don’t like breeding too much.

      • Alice says:

        In 2050 “Whites” will be the 47% , “Hispanics” the 29%, Blacks will be stagnant at 13% just like today and Asians will grow to 9% but still a minority ; However “Hispanic” means just “Spanish speaking person”… is not a race per se; in the actual census Half of Hispanics are Brown ( Some other race) but the other half are WHITE Hispanics, if we add to the 47% of English speaking Whites the 14% of Spanish speaking Whites (the White Hispanics) ,we see that in 2050 Whites will be the = 60% at least in America! still the majority; Mongoloids will be second, 9% of Asians more 15% of Brown Amerindian Hispanics = 34% and Blacks will be the 3th place at 13% of United States.

      • Alice says:

        oops, a mistake: Caucasoids ( both English and Spanish speaking) = 60% ; Mongoloids ( both Asian and Amerindian) = 24% and Black = 13% ; That will be United States in 2050

      • Priyamvada Jain says:

        Wolfgang Red, “White folks don’t like breeding too much.”

        They are not very sexually attracted to one another.

      • By 2100, Whites will only be about 1-3% of the world population. We are a fucked, hopeless cause, and all this could have been prevented if we had picked our own damn cotton. Curse you stupid ancestors!

      • Bay Area Guy says:

        @ Miki

        Re: Hispanics and whiteness

        Many Latinos in the U.S. are in fact racially white, and look just like any other white person. However, so long as identity politics remain lucrative, white Hispanics will continue to hop on the bandwagon.

        I’m with Steve Sailer on this one. Unless white America begins to reassert itself and unapologetically demand assimilation, in addition to no longer providing incentives for minority status, most Latinos will continue to eschew whiteness.

        I’ve seen this with my own eyes. I’ve known certain white Latinos, along with Middle Easterners, who would get indignant upon being identified as white.

        That’s because there’s no longer much of an incentive to identify as white in today’s multicultural America.

      • Priyamvada Jain says:

        “Even if a good chunk of Mexican immigrants are white Mexicans I’d still have a problem with it (If I were American). The culture down there is very different from the Anglo Protestant culture of the US (and Canada). Race is important, but so is culture and heritage. ”

        They don’t run off to their “motherland” to find a spouse. They date, mate and marry with Americans.

      • Alice says:

        Is sad how some people think Hispanic is a race, or use it as a race term, Hispanic/Latino Americans are very racially diverse, and as a result form an ethnic category, RATHER than a RACE. How can you say Hispanics have smaller cock tan Whites? if a single Hispanic phenotype don’t exist? and many Hispanics are White? instead of talking about Hispanics, when people refer to Brown people, they should say Amerindian / part Amerindian.

      • Dota says:

        Look Jain, this is your final warning. I’ve told you before that you may challenge our political and economic views all you want, but personal attacks against me or BAG will not be tolerated here. We haven’t banned anybody yet, and we don’t want to start. Knock of your attitude or I’m going to have to show you the door real quick.

  2. Priyamvada Jain says:

    “You can agree or disagree with the white nationalist’s reasons for disliking the above groups, but there is at least a reason. Islamophobia is fatuous precisely because there is no legitimate reason to hate Muslims in the United States. Muslims are small in number and wield no political or economic power. Also, Muslim Americans tend to be highly educated and productive members of society, and thus do not leech off of welfare like their counterparts in Europe. In short, Muslims are not significant enough to pose any dire threat to white America. So why do they provoke so much vitriol?”

    – I think many Americans in this internet age are reading news from European countries where Muslims are non-assimilating leeches and are “changing the fabric” of society. So they think “what if it happens here?”

    Also, Muslims are chin-deep in victimology. Any valid critique of Islam becomes “Islamophobia” to them. Remember that Iraqi woman that was killed and all over the internet it was labeled a “hate crime” and white Americans were being dragged through the mud for “Islamophobia”.

    When it turned out to be an inside job – they all went mum. No “my bad” or anything.

    There’s a tipping point before they start to negatively effect the wider society. They are well below that %age here in the State, but for how long?

    This is what some Americans are asking.

    • Dota says:

      The facts, as BAG pointed out above, are that Muslim Americans wield little to no political power and are generally educated and productive members of society. They are not plagued by the problems (real or imagined) of Muslims outside the US. And that’s that this article is about: Muslims in the US.

      • Priyamvada Jain says:

        The 9-11 hysteria is hysterical. Our new Miss America, Desi girl Ms. Nina Davuluri, is being called a “Muslim” and “terrorist” and a “Muslim terrorist” on Twitter. One tweeter got it right by calling her Miss 7-11. LOL!

        Not Miss 9-11….Miss 7-11!

        http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/video?clipId=9312113&topVideoCatNo=236673&autoStart=true

      • White people are unbelievably racist

      • Priyamvada Jain says:

        “White people are unbelievably racist”

        *Some* white people are unbelievably racist.

        There, fixed it for ya.

        As are some non-white people.

      • Priyamvada Jain says:

        Remember the “Don’t Freak! I’m a Sikh!” t-shirts that came out for turbaned Sikh guys after 9-11?

        I thought it was clever, if terribly un-pc its own way.

      • Priyamvada Jain says:

        Reading the tweets. Some are calling her “Miss Al Qaida” and an “Arab”. Ugh!

        Seriously people, get your ethno-cultures right for once!

        Ah well, who cares? Its just a silly beauty pageant.

      • Bay Area Guy says:

        And that’s that this article is about: Muslims in the US.

        Precisely.

        Neither Dota and I are worshipping at the altar of American Muslims, nor are we saying that the U.S. should welcome more into their ranks. In fact, we strongly support a more discerning immigration policy, so that what has transpired in European countries doesn’t occur here.

        The point of the article was that it’s foolish to obsess so much on Muslims at the moment considering their overall insignificance.

        Once Muslims become around 10% of the population, assume more of a lower class profile, riot in major cities, begin to disproportionately rape white women, and refuse to integrate, then American Islamophobia will make sense.

        But the Muslim American community is nothing like that, so it makes no sense to pay too much attention to them.

      • Bay Area Guy says:

        Seriously people, get your ethno-cultures right for once!

        Yes, American ignorance regarding race, ethnicity, culture, and national origin can be absurd at times.

        In fact, I wrote about it here.

        https://occidentinvicta.com/2013/08/29/the-apotheosis-of-racial-stupidity-latinos-as-racial-transformers/

      • Mrs Jain, that was intended to be sarKHasm.

      • ale says:

        Why we were banned from Robert Lindsay’s blog ? whatever, we even don’t visit his blog much time like we used, just told him that he can ban us for no reason forever, maybe his mental problems like OCD or his old age are making him to do irrational things, we have much more fun in YouTube, Yahoo answers, other Blogs, Facebook and etc, though Narutoo admits we would be worried in the past because he used to comment much in the blog of that grandpa, not anymore 😉

      • ale says:

        PS: Robert Lindsay is getting more crazy..? anyways, we post this just to let people know what he did, banning someone for no reason, is important that people know this, we could let this pass and not even post 2 times about this, but other people really need to know about how he behaves, this situation is similar to that of the blogger Feministx with the blogger heartiste lol ( we don’t take any side, not with Feministx nor with Heartiste, just saying is a similar situation) but like i said, whatever with this…

        http://feministx.wordpress.com/2013/08/24/why-is-heartiste-such-a-dumb-cunt/

      • Haha Narut00, you were also banned from Bobert’s blog? Damn….I was banned twice, but if you ask Bobert nicely he will let you back on. Right now I am laughing my ass off because someone in my math class drew a one inch diameter circle for our Globe Project and got a 0. I am in the bathroom laughing my ass off right now. Posting from my phone. Haha….too funny.

      • ale says:

        Lol that is super funny, and about Robert, nah, not only because banning us was totally unjust, is also because me and ale don’t comment often like before, what is the urge? is not like the old days when his blog was my favorite and i spent much time there; whatever, he is just getting more crazy because his OCD plus his old age, that is why all my friends are Young and sane people 😉

      • Bobert is a great person but can get pissed off easy. Why did he ban you Naruto?

      • ale says:

        I (Narutoo, not ale, if i use my email, since its new it will take time to post) …i Narutoo am a Young alpha , i will show everyone that i can overcome every shit test that every problematic person put on me, my attitude is just whatever ,i am not impressed 😉 that is the spirit of the alpha , i guess

      • ale says:

        Or maybe my religious parents or their friends discovered my posts ,since i post about bisexuality or Agnosticism, they told Robert to ban me… also i used my former name of Ichigo Kurosaki with the email of a friend of my mom, maybe Robert talked out of curiority with her via email and she told my mom ,they are religious, but whatever, i will overcome this Shit Test as the alpha i am

      • ale says:

        And this is Ale writing: and Robert is ugly outside : ( ,the least he could do is to have a beautiful, a really beautiful heart, you can’t help the face you are born with, but you can improve your heart, and he even don’t do it : ( ,ugly outside and inside, he is a lost cause x)

      • Robert’s real name is Bobert Malcolm Hohenheim Malkidividius F the Fourth.

      • Priyamvada Jain says:

        “And that’s that this article is about: Muslims in the US.”

        Right. And I explained WHY some Americans are Islamophobic. They don’t live off the grid on an isolated island somewhere. They are plugged in and aware of Islam’s negative reputation worldwide, therefore.

        That being said, I do not think “Islamophobia” is widespread in the US. The media, and some Muslims, make more of it than what it is.

      • ale says:

        Lol ,Robert with that genious IQ could have made more of his life, instead he lived an average life, is ironic, how he bashes rich people in his blog, is true to a degree, but i never agreed at all in his one sided negative views of rich people, though i never spoke in favor of the rich in his blog, because he bans on that, now i can say this freely, i guess he resent their life, in his blog he never explained well the failure of the Soviet Unión, a socialist country, i am enough intelligent to notice it, but as usual i kept quiet, and on top of that, the man suffered OCD through his life, sigh.

      • Naruto you are not banned I just talked to Robert he let you back on.

      • You were never banned it was a WordPress glicth and Robert fixed it.

      • Bobert Lindsay is a kindhearted geezer. He won’t ban you for nothing. Such a kind old man.

      • ale says:

        Ohhh really? because i tried to post just 1 comment with 5 different emails (remenber i had many emails) like 2 times each, i doubt that excuse, but anyways i don’t visit his blog much time like before, yesterday i even just commented to reply to the impostor and that’s all 😉

      • Can you email me Naruto shadydawgcoward@gmail.com I am bored and want to talk with you.

      • Priyamvada Jain says:

        Ale, Wolfgang, Robert wrote about himself;

        Robert Lindsay
        September 19, 2013 at 1:57 PM

        “I live off $11K/yr and I live like a dog.”

      • ale says:

        I am (Narutoo) , now i see the comments me and Ale posted, but i have my doubts about it, anyways we felt a bad vibe with Robert since some time ago.
        “Mr. Lindsay has turned against us. I don’t know why. I haven’t done anything differently lately. He seems to be taking out some pent up rage against me. It is pathetic”
        I am using the same words the blogger Feministx wrote about the blogger Heartiste (and i repeat, i am not in the side of Feministx nor Heartiste, i don’t want to offend any of 2, i am just comparing the situation).
        and like blogger Feministx, this thing will be in the past, i will write what she wrote but applied to my situation
        “Yeah, I will stop reading his blog. That’s what he wants too. He could have just told me to go away in some civilized manner without making a fool of himself. “

      • ale says:

        Ah yes, i almost forgot, this is not very important, but i still find this weird, we still remenber the commenter “Arab Idol Worshipper” who was probably “Swedish Shit” as well

        http://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2013/06/14/arab-american-vedantist-idol-worshipper-was-banned/

        Is weird that in Feministx’s blog there is commenter who talks on and on about Yoga and Hindu spirituality… so we suspect is the same “Arab Idol Worshipper”… really impressive

        http://feministx.wordpress.com/2013/09/18/so-fucking-tired/

    • AlphaSheikh says:

      “Also, Muslims are chin-deep in victimology. Any valid critique of Islam becomes “Islamophobia” to them.”

      I’m a Muslim and I don’t mind people critiquing Islam or the Muslim community but what I don’t like is when people that follow another religion claim that Islam is a violent religion and that their religion is better than Islam, they’re basically overlooking atrocities committed in the name of their religion or the violent and misogynistic verses written in their holy books.

      For example you’re a Hindu(?) and you criticize Islam but aren’t aware of how violent or backward you religion is.

      I’ve heard many Hindutvas claim that Islam is a misogynistic religion, yet they ignore the fact that in Hinduism widows are burned alive, and women are treated like property, they also ignore the huge number of rapes in India,the child marriages(in some parts of India girls are sold into prostitution by their Dad’s because it’s in their religion),female infanticides/foeticides the caste system, and Hinduism’s view of non-Hindus.

      I don’t like the hypocrisy of Muslim critics that follow another religion, the only people I might listen to are Atheists because they’re unbiased to some extent.

      There are many people in Europe that not only fear Muslim immigration but also Indian(Sikh and Hindu)immigration, at least Muslims had some history in Europe during the Ottoman times in the Balkans and in the Iberian peninsula; Hindus are alien to Europe

      .” Remember that Iraqi woman that was killed and all over the internet it was labeled a “hate crime” and white Americans were being dragged through the mud for “Islamophobia”.”

      That’s just one incident of “victimology”, there have been many hate crimes against Muslims or Muslim-looking people since 9/11, even a Greek orthodox priest was attacked a few years back just because he had a beard and olive skin.

      ” white Americans were being dragged through the mud for “Islamophobia”.”

      You do realize that Muslim isn’t a race?Muslims come in all colors (unlike 99.99% of Hindus), so when you claim that “white Americans” were being dragged to the mud for “Islamaphobia”, you should that there are white Muslims too, in fact more than you would expect(Imam Suhaib Webb is one of the most popular ones in Boston).

      There are Bosnian,Chechen,Tatar,Lebanese,Persian,Syrian Muslims(not including converts) that could pass for white, so your comment is really ignorant.

      I find it funny how Islamophobes say that Muslim isn’t a race, so it justifies their hate for Muslims, yet they will say something like “Muslims are dumb”, “Muslims are ugly””,”Muslims are hairy” implying that Muslim is a race.

      “There’s a tipping point before they start to negatively effect the wider society. They are well below that %age here in the State, but for how long?”

      You know what, I’m more concerned about letting Indians in, because they could(and most likely would) turn America into Fiji, I would rather like America to be another Qatar or Azerbaijan than another Fiji or India.

      If Indian Hindus don’t like Muslims(I know that they don’t) then you should tell your cousins to stop moving to Gulf Arab states and Malaysia, if India is better then these countries, then you people should stay there.

      • WmarkW says:

        Islam as practiced on the European mainland — Albania, Kosovo, and European Turkey — is nothing like the backward barbarisms observed in places like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan or Iran.

        It’s enough to tempt belief in HBD.

      • Dota says:

        I know what you mean Mark. Pakistan is just the worst. A former Pashtun roommate once told me that Islam and the Pakhtuwali code make a toxic brew. I tend to agree with him, Islam brings out the worst in certain cultures (Pashtuns, South Asians), while other more civilized cultures bring out the best in Islam. I’ve had the pleasure of knowing a few African American Muslims and I was richer for the experience. These people were nothing like the backward South Asian, Afghan, and Arab Muslims I grew up around.

      • Bay Area Guy says:

        Yup, as Dota and I would always say, race/ethnicity and culture > religion, always.

        As I once pointed out, you don’t see honor killings among Bosnians or Indonesians. Most of the pathologies associated with “Muslims” tend to be endemic to Arabs and South Asians.

      • Priyamvada Jain says:

        “For example you’re a Hindu(?)”

        – Um, where did I say I was a Hindu?

        ” and you criticize Islam but aren’t aware of how violent or backward you religion is.”

        – Um, okaaaay. What’s my religion, now?

        “I don’t like the hypocrisy of Muslim critics that follow another religion, the only people I might listen to are Atheists because they’re unbiased to some extent.”

        – Then listen to me.

        “There are many people in Europe that not only fear Muslim immigration but also Indian(Sikh and Hindu)immigration, at least Muslims had some history in Europe during the Ottoman times in the Balkans and in the Iberian peninsula; Hindus are alien to Europe”

        – I’ve lived various European countries. Hindus and Sikhs assimilate, work and contribute to the tax base, Muslims tend to leech off of the dole over there. In the US its different and we Americans want to keep it that way.

        “That’s just one incident of “victimology”, there have been many hate crimes against Muslims or Muslim-looking people since 9/11, even a Greek orthodox priest was attacked a few years back just because he had a beard and olive skin.”

        – I remember. That’s why the “Don’t Freak, I’m a Sikh” t-shirt came out.

        “You do realize that Muslim isn’t a race?”

        – Tell that to the Muslims and their “friends” in the US who cry “raaaaaaaaaacism” every time someone critiques Islam.

        “Muslims come in all colors (unlike 99.99% of Hindus), so when you claim that “white Americans” were being dragged to the mud for “Islamaphobia”, you should that there are white Muslims too, in fact more than you would expect(Imam Suhaib Webb is one of the most popular ones in Boston).

        There are Bosnian,Chechen,Tatar,Lebanese,Persian,Syrian Muslims(not including converts) that could pass for white, so your comment is really ignorant.”

        – OK Einstein, while we’re on the topic of ignorance, you do realize that a person with the last name JAIN, is usually NOT a Hindu, right?

        Or are non-Muslims expected to know more about Muslims than Muslims are expected to know about non-Muslims?

        “You know what, I’m more concerned about letting Indians in, because they could(and most likely would) turn America into Fiji, I would rather like America to be another Qatar or Azerbaijan than another Fiji or India.”

        – America is not obliged to become what you personally prefer it to.

      • AlphaSheikh says:

        “I’ve lived various European countries. Hindus and Sikhs assimilate, work and contribute to the tax base, Muslims tend to leech off of the dole over there. In the US its different and we Americans want to keep it that way.”

        Why do you have to use their religion as an identifier?Those Sikhs and Hindus are Indian, and since India is quite far from Europe, most of the Indian immigrants that end up in Europe are high-skilled immigrants, since the Muslim majority countries are nearer to Europe, lower-skilled immigrants or refugees immigrate their, is has little to do with their religion, recently many Tamil Hindus have been migrating to Australia and Canada and they’re starting to cause a lot of problems there.

        “Tell that to the Muslims and their “friends” in the US who cry “raaaaaaaaaacism” every time someone critiques Islam.”

        Have you met all 1.5 billion Muslims around the world?How do you know we all cry about racism?I could claim that all Indians smell bad and they talk funny, so you should tell your Indian friends to shower and take English lessons.

        I only call people out on their racism if they use terms like sandnigger,camel jockey,towel head,sand people etc, most people treat Muslims as a race, so they direct their anger towards “Muslim-looking people”.

        Here’s a good article that addresses that:
        http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/20/islam-race-richard-dawkins?CMP=twt_gu

        “If some people treat Islam like it were a race (even if technically it isn’t) and commit violent acts against Muslims that should be considered racism because that is how these people themselves understand their own actions. The fact that Islam isn’t technically a race is just that – a technicality. It doesn’t stop people treating Muslims like they were a race and, therefore, it doesn’t stop their prejudice being racism.
        Saying ‘Islam is not a race’ may be true on an abstract, semantic, academic level but on the level of what real people actually believe and how they act it is a ‘race’ and, consequently, the prejudiced acts that they commit is racism.”


        “Or are non-Muslims expected to know more about Muslims than Muslims are expected to know about non-Muslims?”

        No, most of us Muslims don’t think that way, I know a lot about major religions in the world, I don’t know much about smaller religions like Jainism, probably because they’re almost on the brink of extinction in India.

        I see how you say “are we non-muslims supposed to know more about Islam”, you’re trying to tag all non-Muslims together trying to act like it’s “Muslims vs rest of the world”, you’re a religion shifter(kinda like a race shifter), when you want to criticize Islam or any other religion, you become an athiest so you can act “objective and unbiased” but the moment you want to praise some elements of your religion, you become a Jain (or Hindu?).

        Religion shifters are dangerous people just like race shifters:
        https://occidentinvicta.com/2013/08/29/the-apotheosis-of-racial-stupidity-latinos-as-racial-transformers/

        “America is not obliged to become what you personally prefer it to.”

        I never said I’d prefer America to be like any other country, all I said is that I would rather have be like Azerbaijan than India or Fiji.

        Seems like you just came right off the boat.

      • WmarkW says:

        Bay Area Guy says:
        September 18, 2013 at 11:13 pm
        Yup, as Dota and I would always say, race/ethnicity and culture > religion, always.

        We had a brief discussion about this on another site, regarding the atrocities in the Westgate Nairobi mall. Is it an Islam thing or a sub-Saharan Africa thing?

        http://theatheistconservative.com/2013/09/27/here-it-was-pain/

  3. Priyamvada Jain says:

    the issue is that

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